Roster/Staff Updates

[AppStFan1]

A high recruiting class for this class means freshman were highly rated. Do not remember many freshmen led teams having high expectations. If many pan out, we have hope for future. Who knows, it could be an unusual situation where we have freshman come in a play like upper classmen.
Hope for future, yes.. instant gradiification? typically not with freshman and football

That is all true in the previous era but you can't bank on the future anymore. 2026 is all we can bank on. We should still see instant impact if they are the best we ever had because we have had true freshmen come in and play right away. The reality is there is no long term build anymore. We can only take one year at a time.

[AppStFan1]

Loggains is more hands on, especially in recruiting because that is his strength. His thought process is likely to invest in other areas that aren’t his strength or he doesn’t have time to be hands on. I believe one area of the program that you can’t really critique right now is the recruiting/support staff. It worked very well in their first cycle.

Grier gets a lock of flack but he spearheaded the highest ranked recruiting class in history and impressive portal additions this offseason.

The rankings don't matter. The only thing that matters is the win totals. If this class is as good as the ratings then we should have really high expectations this year. Pitching to players and closing the deal to get commits does not matter if you are getting the wrong players. Hopefully we are.

Keep in mind that prior to NIL all those stars who went to the NFL from our 2019 roster were 2-star players. Grier and others are benefiting from that rep because our commits use to get 2 stars but now they get 3 stars because of our brand name. It is just funny to me how people point to where our classes are rated when the best players in our history were all 2 stars or unrated for the most part.

A lot to unpack here as always. The rankings do matter. Recruiting is the lifeline of any collegiate program. You should know better than anyone that the ROI on win totals from recruiting classes are not fully realized right away.

Keep in mind that basically every G5 program gets players rated an 85 average 3 star on most sites. We were middle of the pack in the sunbelt and G5 for recruiting since 2020. Where did we finish? Middle of the pack. If the program is to elevate to new heights, the recruiting has to as well. For that reason, rankings do matter.

Why are you not still in recruiting if you are so knowledgeable about recruiting and scouting?

Rankings are good for marketing but I rather have the lowest rated class and win 10 games than win 4 games with the highest rated class.
If we go 4-8 or 5-7 then the talk on here will be how we had so many busts.

You guys say we are so low on money so how are we going to retain all these players if they are as good as the hype? We can't bank on the long term at all anymore.

[BambooRdApp]

A high recruiting class for this class means freshman were highly rated. Do not remember many freshmen led teams having high expectations. If many pan out, we have hope for future. Who knows, it could be an unusual situation where we have freshman come in a play like upper classmen.
Hope for future, yes.. instant gradiification? typically not with freshman and football

That is all true in the previous era but you can't bank on the future anymore. 2026 is all we can bank on. We should still see instant impact if they are the best we ever had because we have had true freshmen come in and play right away. The reality is there is no long term build anymore. We can only take one year at a time.

If that is the case, we should close shop on HS recruiting and just live in the portal. Makes zero common sense. Maybe that works in bball...not football....Sure, some of freshman kids or a few may see some valuable time. To say that they should be good in 26 or freshman class is a bust .. is bullshit IMHO.

[AppSt94]

A high recruiting class for this class means freshman were highly rated. Do not remember many freshmen led teams having high expectations. If many pan out, we have hope for future. Who knows, it could be an unusual situation where we have freshman come in a play like upper classmen.
Hope for future, yes.. instant gradiification? typically not with freshman and football

That is all true in the previous era but you can't bank on the future anymore. 2026 is all we can bank on. We should still see instant impact if they are the best we ever had because we have had true freshmen come in and play right away. The reality is there is no long term build anymore. We can only take one year at a time.

If that is the case, we should close shop on HS recruiting and just live in the portal. Makes zero common sense. Maybe that works in bball...not football....Sure, some of freshman kids or a few may see some valuable time. To say that they should be good in 26 or freshman class is a bust .. is bullshit IMHO.

Agree. Freshmen, particularly freshmen that are the caliber that we can get aren’t physically ready for college football. You can probably count on one hand the number of true freshmen that we have had that came in and started from day 1. This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

[Bootsy]

Loggains is more hands on, especially in recruiting because that is his strength. His thought process is likely to invest in other areas that aren’t his strength or he doesn’t have time to be hands on. I believe one area of the program that you can’t really critique right now is the recruiting/support staff. It worked very well in their first cycle.

Grier gets a lock of flack but he spearheaded the highest ranked recruiting class in history and impressive portal additions this offseason.

The rankings don't matter. The only thing that matters is the win totals. If this class is as good as the ratings then we should have really high expectations this year. Pitching to players and closing the deal to get commits does not matter if you are getting the wrong players. Hopefully we are.

Keep in mind that prior to NIL all those stars who went to the NFL from our 2019 roster were 2-star players. Grier and others are benefiting from that rep because our commits use to get 2 stars but now they get 3 stars because of our brand name. It is just funny to me how people point to where our classes are rated when the best players in our history were all 2 stars or unrated for the most part.

A lot to unpack here as always. The rankings do matter. Recruiting is the lifeline of any collegiate program. You should know better than anyone that the ROI on win totals from recruiting classes are not fully realized right away.

Keep in mind that basically every G5 program gets players rated an 85 average 3 star on most sites. We were middle of the pack in the sunbelt and G5 for recruiting since 2020. Where did we finish? Middle of the pack. If the program is to elevate to new heights, the recruiting has to as well. For that reason, rankings do matter.

Why are you not still in recruiting if you are so knowledgeable about recruiting and scouting?

Loggains simply cannot afford his executive compensation expectations.

[ASUFan4863]

Loggains is more hands on, especially in recruiting because that is his strength. His thought process is likely to invest in other areas that aren’t his strength or he doesn’t have time to be hands on. I believe one area of the program that you can’t really critique right now is the recruiting/support staff. It worked very well in their first cycle.

Grier gets a lock of flack but he spearheaded the highest ranked recruiting class in history and impressive portal additions this offseason.

The rankings don't matter. The only thing that matters is the win totals. If this class is as good as the ratings then we should have really high expectations this year. Pitching to players and closing the deal to get commits does not matter if you are getting the wrong players. Hopefully we are.

Keep in mind that prior to NIL all those stars who went to the NFL from our 2019 roster were 2-star players. Grier and others are benefiting from that rep because our commits use to get 2 stars but now they get 3 stars because of our brand name. It is just funny to me how people point to where our classes are rated when the best players in our history were all 2 stars or unrated for the most part.

A lot to unpack here as always. The rankings do matter. Recruiting is the lifeline of any collegiate program. You should know better than anyone that the ROI on win totals from recruiting classes are not fully realized right away.

Keep in mind that basically every G5 program gets players rated an 85 average 3 star on most sites. We were middle of the pack in the sunbelt and G5 for recruiting since 2020. Where did we finish? Middle of the pack. If the program is to elevate to new heights, the recruiting has to as well. For that reason, rankings do matter.

Why are you not still in recruiting if you are so knowledgeable about recruiting and scouting?

Rankings are good for marketing but I rather have the lowest rated class and win 10 games than win 4 games with the highest rated class.
If we go 4-8 or 5-7 then the talk on here will be how we had so many busts.

You guys say we are so low on money so how are we going to retain all these players if they are as good as the hype? We can't bank on the long term at all anymore.

Obviously everyone would rather win games over recruiting rankings. We won so many games previously with unranked players, because we had a culture and time to develop the players. That isn’t the case anymore.

I am just trying to understand the point you are trying to make here. You stated that rankings do not matter because we won before NIL without high rankings but now in the NIL era, rankings do not matter because we do not have money to develop them long term.

So what is your solution? Recruit unranked players who will be patient and be developed in 3 years?

[AppStFan1]

A high recruiting class for this class means freshman were highly rated. Do not remember many freshmen led teams having high expectations. If many pan out, we have hope for future. Who knows, it could be an unusual situation where we have freshman come in a play like upper classmen.
Hope for future, yes.. instant gradiification? typically not with freshman and football

That is all true in the previous era but you can't bank on the future anymore. 2026 is all we can bank on. We should still see instant impact if they are the best we ever had because we have had true freshmen come in and play right away. The reality is there is no long term build anymore. We can only take one year at a time.

If that is the case, we should close shop on HS recruiting and just live in the portal. Makes zero common sense. Maybe that works in bball...not football....Sure, some of freshman kids or a few may see some valuable time. To say that they should be good in 26 or freshman class is a bust .. is bullshit IMHO.

I am not saying we should close shop on HS recruiting but there are schools who are doing it so I guess they morons? I actually want us to focus more on HS recruiting and just hope we can keep a few of them each year. It would be great if we can land some SEC caliber players that want to play right off the bat and they come in better than a typical SBC player. The TE we signed is one I am hopeful works out for us like that.

[AppStFan1]

A high recruiting class for this class means freshman were highly rated. Do not remember many freshmen led teams having high expectations. If many pan out, we have hope for future. Who knows, it could be an unusual situation where we have freshman come in a play like upper classmen.
Hope for future, yes.. instant gradiification? typically not with freshman and football

That is all true in the previous era but you can't bank on the future anymore. 2026 is all we can bank on. We should still see instant impact if they are the best we ever had because we have had true freshmen come in and play right away. The reality is there is no long term build anymore. We can only take one year at a time.

If that is the case, we should close shop on HS recruiting and just live in the portal. Makes zero common sense. Maybe that works in bball...not football....Sure, some of freshman kids or a few may see some valuable time. To say that they should be good in 26 or freshman class is a bust .. is bullshit IMHO.

Agree. Freshmen, particularly freshmen that are the caliber that we can get aren’t physically ready for college football. You can probably count on one hand the number of true freshmen that we have had that came in and started from day 1. This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

We usually have a couple freshmen who play in their first year so maybe our coaches can make the argument to more of those type players with the 5 years of eligibility coming? Is there any chance we see 3-4 star players that we normally would not land to come in to play a couple years knowing they have a little more time and have the cushion to play 2 years and still have 3 to get big money deals?

[AppStFan1]

Loggains is more hands on, especially in recruiting because that is his strength. His thought process is likely to invest in other areas that aren’t his strength or he doesn’t have time to be hands on. I believe one area of the program that you can’t really critique right now is the recruiting/support staff. It worked very well in their first cycle.

Grier gets a lock of flack but he spearheaded the highest ranked recruiting class in history and impressive portal additions this offseason.

The rankings don't matter. The only thing that matters is the win totals. If this class is as good as the ratings then we should have really high expectations this year. Pitching to players and closing the deal to get commits does not matter if you are getting the wrong players. Hopefully we are.

Keep in mind that prior to NIL all those stars who went to the NFL from our 2019 roster were 2-star players. Grier and others are benefiting from that rep because our commits use to get 2 stars but now they get 3 stars because of our brand name. It is just funny to me how people point to where our classes are rated when the best players in our history were all 2 stars or unrated for the most part.

A lot to unpack here as always. The rankings do matter. Recruiting is the lifeline of any collegiate program. You should know better than anyone that the ROI on win totals from recruiting classes are not fully realized right away.

Keep in mind that basically every G5 program gets players rated an 85 average 3 star on most sites. We were middle of the pack in the sunbelt and G5 for recruiting since 2020. Where did we finish? Middle of the pack. If the program is to elevate to new heights, the recruiting has to as well. For that reason, rankings do matter.

Why are you not still in recruiting if you are so knowledgeable about recruiting and scouting?

Rankings are good for marketing but I rather have the lowest rated class and win 10 games than win 4 games with the highest rated class.
If we go 4-8 or 5-7 then the talk on here will be how we had so many busts.

You guys say we are so low on money so how are we going to retain all these players if they are as good as the hype? We can't bank on the long term at all anymore.

Obviously everyone would rather win games over recruiting rankings. We won so many games previously with unranked players, because we had a culture and time to develop the players. That isn’t the case anymore.

I am just trying to understand the point you are trying to make here. You stated that rankings do not matter because we won before NIL without high rankings but now in the NIL era, rankings do not matter because we do not have money to develop them long term.

So what is your solution? Recruit unranked players who will be patient and be developed in 3 years?

It is different but we should still be getting players with a chip on their shoulder. They just might be for different reasons like getting a big money NIL deal they did not get out of high school or with the chance to bounce back up to the P4 level.

As far as rankings my point is that they could be overrated and not any good but even if this class is as good as it is ranked we likely lose a lot of them. We can really focus only one year at a time. We can't look ahead 2-3 years anymore and feel like we should have a good team like we use to be able to.

I don't think there is any perfect solution other than to have great evaluators for the portal and HS recruiting.

[Yosef84]

I definitely don't think we should give up on HS recruiting, but I do think the best path forward for the portal is to look for experienced / proved players from FCS and D2. They will be more ready to contribute and more affordable. I don't know where the proper balance should be but I hope we find it. I'm not saying p4 transfers should be eliminated, but it shouldn't be a bread and butter.

[WASU 93]

I definitely don't think we should give up on HS recruiting, but I do think the best path forward for the portal is to look for experienced / proved players from FCS and D2. They will be more ready to contribute and more affordable. I don't know where the proper balance should be but I hope we find it. I'm not saying p4 transfers should be eliminated, but it shouldn't be a bread and butter.

Basically, you are recruiting players to get 1-2 years from them (one impact year for most).

That may come in their Freshman and Sophomore years in Boone or it may come after their first, or second, or third transfer as they move up or down the ladder. You still have to build the relationships in the HS recruiting process.

[AppStFan1]

I definitely don't think we should give up on HS recruiting, but I do think the best path forward for the portal is to look for experienced / proved players from FCS and D2. They will be more ready to contribute and more affordable. I don't know where the proper balance should be but I hope we find it. I'm not saying p4 transfers should be eliminated, but it shouldn't be a bread and butter.

That is what I have been thinking. We aren't going to get proven FBS portal players but we should focus mostly on small schools in the portal. There are a lot of good freshmen and sophomores who would have gotten FBS offers before the portal era but they end up there due to many schools focusing mostly on the portal.

[Stonewall]

Like Basketball.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Why on earth are we not going heavy with quality FCS players as a feeder for our roster? Maybe (probably) I know nothing (like 99% of the experts on this board) but it seems more logical to get good FCS proven players over P4 bench guys. We are clearly a minor league club for P4’s so why not look a level below us and get 15-20 dudes every year who have actually played and can produce day 1?

[Bootsy]

Why on earth are we not going heavy with quality FCS players as a feeder for our roster? Maybe (probably) I know nothing (like 99% of the experts on this board) but it seems more logical to get good FCS proven players over P4 bench guys. We are clearly a minor league club for P4’s so why not look a level below us and get 15-20 dudes every year who have actually played and can produce day 1?

I don’t think it’s for lack of trying; there’s more competition for FCS players nowadays.

[AppStFan1]

Why on earth are we not going heavy with quality FCS players as a feeder for our roster? Maybe (probably) I know nothing (like 99% of the experts on this board) but it seems more logical to get good FCS proven players over P4 bench guys. We are clearly a minor league club for P4’s so why not look a level below us and get 15-20 dudes every year who have actually played and can produce day 1?

I don’t think it’s for lack of trying; there’s more competition for FCS players nowadays.

As much competition as there is there are a lot of quality FCS and D2 players who are set to return to their schools that we did not try to get into the portal. Clark did not hit the small schools as hard as I think we should have and so far this group is not as well. If I thought that our staff would actually look into the names I would give them a long list to recruit but I don't think they would.

[AppSt94]

Why on earth are we not going heavy with quality FCS players as a feeder for our roster? Maybe (probably) I know nothing (like 99% of the experts on this board) but it seems more logical to get good FCS proven players over P4 bench guys. We are clearly a minor league club for P4’s so why not look a level below us and get 15-20 dudes every year who have actually played and can produce day 1?

I don’t think it’s for lack of trying; there’s more competition for FCS players nowadays.

As much competition as there is there are a lot of quality FCS and D2 players who are set to return to their schools that we did not try to get into the portal. Clark did not hit the small schools as hard as I think we should have and so far this group is not as well. If I thought that our staff would actually look into the names I would give them a long list to recruit but I don't think they would.

How do you know that they didn’t evaluate them? How do you know anything? You freely assume that you know better than those that do it for a living? Bro stick to your day job, if you have one…….

[Bootsy]

Why on earth are we not going heavy with quality FCS players as a feeder for our roster? Maybe (probably) I know nothing (like 99% of the experts on this board) but it seems more logical to get good FCS proven players over P4 bench guys. We are clearly a minor league club for P4’s so why not look a level below us and get 15-20 dudes every year who have actually played and can produce day 1?

I don’t think it’s for lack of trying; there’s more competition for FCS players nowadays.

As much competition as there is there are a lot of quality FCS and D2 players who are set to return to their schools that we did not try to get into the portal. Clark did not hit the small schools as hard as I think we should have and so far this group is not as well. If I thought that our staff would actually look into the names I would give them a long list to recruit but I don't think they would.

How do you know that they didn’t evaluate them? How do you know anything? You freely assume that you know better than those that do it for a living? Bro stick to your day job, if you have one…….

You certainly mean well, 94. But you’re wasting your time here.

He has delusions of adequacy. But the guy’s takes are so consistently wrong, it’s like he isn’t even trying.

[AppStFan1]

Why on earth are we not going heavy with quality FCS players as a feeder for our roster? Maybe (probably) I know nothing (like 99% of the experts on this board) but it seems more logical to get good FCS proven players over P4 bench guys. We are clearly a minor league club for P4’s so why not look a level below us and get 15-20 dudes every year who have actually played and can produce day 1?

I don’t think it’s for lack of trying; there’s more competition for FCS players nowadays.

As much competition as there is there are a lot of quality FCS and D2 players who are set to return to their schools that we did not try to get into the portal. Clark did not hit the small schools as hard as I think we should have and so far this group is not as well. If I thought that our staff would actually look into the names I would give them a long list to recruit but I don't think they would.

How do you know that they didn’t evaluate them? How do you know anything? You freely assume that you know better than those that do it for a living? Bro stick to your day job, if you have one…….

I did not say we did not look at those names. I'm sure they work hard looking at players. I just said I won't give them names because I don't know that they would look at any suggestions I would give them.

I said that there are a lot of players still at the FCS and D2 level that I think we should have tried to get into the portal. I was talking to a NIL agent from this area who reps one of them and he said App never reached out to him on that player. Maybe we looked and our staff does not think they are good?

[AppStFan1]

Why on earth are we not going heavy with quality FCS players as a feeder for our roster? Maybe (probably) I know nothing (like 99% of the experts on this board) but it seems more logical to get good FCS proven players over P4 bench guys. We are clearly a minor league club for P4’s so why not look a level below us and get 15-20 dudes every year who have actually played and can produce day 1?

I don’t think it’s for lack of trying; there’s more competition for FCS players nowadays.

As much competition as there is there are a lot of quality FCS and D2 players who are set to return to their schools that we did not try to get into the portal. Clark did not hit the small schools as hard as I think we should have and so far this group is not as well. If I thought that our staff would actually look into the names I would give them a long list to recruit but I don't think they would.

How do you know that they didn’t evaluate them? How do you know anything? You freely assume that you know better than those that do it for a living? Bro stick to your day job, if you have one…….

You certainly mean well, 94. But you’re wasting your time here.

He has delusions of adequacy. But the guy’s takes are so consistently wrong, it’s like he isn’t even trying.

You do realize there are different ways to assemble a roster? Loggains could be doing it the right way but we will find out this fall. The only thing I am critical of him on right now is I don't think he has put as much financial resources into hiring good evaluators but I hope he proves he does not need to.

Which take do I have that I am consistently wrong on? If you can give me facts that proves it is wrong then I will admit that. If you just disagree with an opinion then that is your opinion. Just because we don't completely agree does not make you or me dumb. It is okay to have a different view.